from University of Tokyo 1S Law and Society Legal System Theory
- Here comes Luhmann’s attempt to reconstruct legal theory based on system theory.
- It is grounded in the field of sociology of law.
- Utilizing methodological dualism, it deals with the world of existence rather than the world of ought.
- Similar to Weber.
- How do we perceive society (the world of existence)?
- Viewing society as an aggregation of various systems.
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Various systems like the academic system, economic system, legal system, etc.
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Interaction among these systems, where politics influences legal codes.
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In essence, viewing law as one of the systems.
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But there is a flaw in this worldview of the legal system (blind spot).
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The program that judges legal/illegality cannot question its own legality/illegality.
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For instance, it cannot determine if the Japanese Constitution is legal or illegal, revealing a blind spot.
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Forced reasoning could lead to paradoxes like legality being considered illegality.
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There are two ways to address this paradox:
- Splitting observation into two parts:
- (Here, “observation” refers to “action of distinguishing and indicating”) (linked together)
- First-order observation: what
- This involves regular “observation” (judging if one’s actions are legal or illegal).
- Second-order observation: how
- Relatively examining how first-order observation is conducted.
- Meta-observation?
- Referred to as “unfolding of paradox.”
- Fundamentally, law is autopoietic (law generates itself).
- Unsure about specific examples here?
- However, the basis for judging legality/illegality is externalized to other systems (e.g., political system).
- This is referred to as allopoiesis.
- This approach leads to a response of “I don’t know” to the paradox.
- The development of this thinking is structural coupling.
- The legal system partially depends on other systems (as mentioned earlier).
- Conversely, the political system also partially depends on the legal system.
- This interdependent relationship between systems is termed structural coupling.
- Splitting observation into two parts:
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Considering these, the closure and openness of systems are contemplated.
- Closure
- Openness
- Unfolding of paradox
- This leads to externalization of some aspects.
- Re-entry
- Reflecting on the system based on how it is perceived by external systems.
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- Luhmann’s worldview is nested.
- What kind of worldview?
- Firstly, there is the theory of System (Luhmann) as a form of scholarly observation.
- (Matching the Definition of theory).
- Within this worldview, there are various systems like the academic system, legal system, etc.
- Sorting out where various legal relations, studies, and theories fit within these systems,
- Legal system:
- The chain of communications dealing with norms (ought discourse, legal/illegal).
- Definition: Restricting possibilities when other actions are visible.
- Specifically, it involves:- Jurisprudence
- The chain of communications dealing with norms (ought discourse, legal/illegal).
- Legal system:
- Firstly, there is the theory of System (Luhmann) as a form of scholarly observation.
- What kind of worldview?
- Viewing society as an aggregation of various systems.
- Utilizing methodological dualism, it deals with the world of existence rather than the world of ought.
- Discusses how something should be interpreted
- Organizes the interpretation and application of law
- Printed on page 5 of Chapter 1
- It is grounded in the field of sociology of law.
- Methodology
- Discusses the methods to be used for interpretation
- Such as textual interpretation
- Rn23.
- Discusses the methods to be used for interpretation
- Reflective Theory
- Also known as “legal theory”
- Discusses how the legal system should interact with other systems while maintaining consistency
- If discussing how one should be, it does feel like reflection
- These discussions are more abstract than specific cases (from a Second-Order perspective)
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The consequences of the differentiation of legal expertise at the second-order observation level
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- However, all of these are discussions on norms, so they can be positioned as actions within the legal system
- Academic System:
- Chain of communication dealing with truth and falsehood
- Not about norms, but about truth and falsehood (?)
- Specifically doing:
- Philosophy of Law
- Seems to be focusing from the academic system to the legal system
- This might also be from a Second-Order perspective
- Academic pursuit for achieving justice
- Printed on page 4
- There are several variations
- Details are written in “Understanding Philosophy of Law”
- First variation
- Also known as “national philosophy,” a German concept
- Second variation
- Also known as “deliberative theory”
- Public opinion in civil society is reflected in parliament/laws, and from there
- Also known as “deliberative theory”
- Both of these, if seen from a systems theory perspective, focus too much on the legal system and political system only, criticized by Vesting
- What about considering the relationship between law and economics?
- Discussing what justice is
- Is this not a discussion of norms..? (blu3mo)❓
- Seems to be focusing from the academic system to the legal system
- Sociological Jurisprudence
- Discusses how the legal system interacts with other systems while maintaining consistency
- The difference from Reflective Theory is the discussion of norms (should) versus the discussion of existence (is)
- This is what Luhmann was dealing with
- Philosophy of Law
- Chain of communication dealing with truth and falsehood
- In summary, “Sociological Jurisprudence” presents a worldview that organizes various aspects related to law and also defines the position of “Sociological Jurisprudence” within it (blu3mo)
- It’s like this nested structure, and
- Self-reference, yeah~ (blu3mo)
- At least, I’m starting to grasp what Luhmann wants to talk about next (blu3mo)
- It’s like this nested structure, and
- Vesting’s criticism of this
- Criticizes the worldview based on systems theory
- Everyday “language” cuts across this system
- Well, of course, distinguishing between “existence” (academic system) and “should” (legal system) in everyday life is challenging (blu3mo)
- I also thought about this in the discussion on “How Wikipedia gets to define what’s true online”
- Well, of course, distinguishing between “existence” (academic system) and “should” (legal system) in everyday life is challenging (blu3mo)
- So, shouldn’t theory also transcend the legal system and academic system?
- I think what they are saying makes sense, but I don’t understand the “so” part (blu3mo)❓
- Isn’t legal interpretation and methodology not exclusive to the legal system but also cross over between the academic system and legal system?
- There are instances where theories in physics (purely academic) interact with jurisprudence, right, criticizing that
- Then, isn’t “legal theory” something that exists in the intersection between the academic system and legal system?
- Wait, didn’t they just criticize the worldview of systems theory? (blu3mo)
- Maybe they are suggesting that the way legal theory was originally perceived didn’t capture partial overlaps well, so a more comprehensive approach is needed, right? (blu3mo)
- As a thought, is mathematics then on the side of the legal system? (blu3mo)❓- This is not a discussion about existence, but rather about the concept of “being” based on certain assumptions.
- Everyday “language” cuts across this system
- In terms of the historical development of philosophy:
- Ancient times: Plato and Aristotle
- Did they consider existence as something that exists?
- It feels like trying to unearth ideal theories that exist somewhere in this world.
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- Not entirely clear, but let’s link it for reference (blu3mo)
- Did they consider existence as something that exists?
- Modern era: Nietzsche, Heidegger, and Luhmann onwards
- Did they view existence as something that creates new things?
- Including theories.
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By setting the perspective of each “existence,” things gathered within that perspective are seen as “existence.”
- Does this mean that each system as an existence has a perspective (binary code) and creates a new “existence” by gathering various existences? (blu3mo)❓
- I grasp the abstract idea, but the specifics are still unclear. (blu3mo)
- Does this mean that each system as an existence has a perspective (binary code) and creates a new “existence” by gathering various existences? (blu3mo)❓
- Did they view existence as something that creates new things?
- Ancient times: Plato and Aristotle
- I want to understand this through programming. (blu3mo)
- Criticizes the worldview based on systems theory