from University of Tokyo 1S Law and Society Legal System Theory

  • Here comes Luhmann’s attempt to reconstruct legal theory based on system theory.
    • It is grounded in the field of sociology of law.
      • Utilizing methodological dualism, it deals with the world of existence rather than the world of ought.
      • How do we perceive society (the world of existence)?
        • Viewing society as an aggregation of various systems.
          • Various systems like the academic system, economic system, legal system, etc.

          • Interaction among these systems, where politics influences legal codes.

          • In essence, viewing law as one of the systems.

          • But there is a flaw in this worldview of the legal system (blind spot).

          • The program that judges legal/illegality cannot question its own legality/illegality.

          • For instance, it cannot determine if the Japanese Constitution is legal or illegal, revealing a blind spot.

          • Forced reasoning could lead to paradoxes like legality being considered illegality.

          • There are two ways to address this paradox:

            • Splitting observation into two parts:
              • (Here, “observation” refers to “action of distinguishing and indicating”) (linked together)
            • First-order observation: what
              • This involves regular “observation” (judging if one’s actions are legal or illegal).
            • Second-order observation: how
              • Relatively examining how first-order observation is conducted.
              • Meta-observation?
            • Referred to as “unfolding of paradox.”
            • Fundamentally, law is autopoietic (law generates itself).
              • Unsure about specific examples here?
            • However, the basis for judging legality/illegality is externalized to other systems (e.g., political system).
            • This approach leads to a response of “I don’t know” to the paradox.
            • The development of this thinking is structural coupling.
              • The legal system partially depends on other systems (as mentioned earlier).
              • Conversely, the political system also partially depends on the legal system.
              • This interdependent relationship between systems is termed structural coupling.
          • Considering these, the closure and openness of systems are contemplated.

        • Luhmann’s worldview is nested.
          • What kind of worldview?
            • Firstly, there is the theory of System (Luhmann) as a form of scholarly observation.
            • Within this worldview, there are various systems like the academic system, legal system, etc.
            • Sorting out where various legal relations, studies, and theories fit within these systems,
              • Legal system:
                • The chain of communications dealing with norms (ought discourse, legal/illegal).
                  • Definition: Restricting possibilities when other actions are visible.
                • Specifically, it involves:- Jurisprudence
    • Discusses how something should be interpreted
    • Organizes the interpretation and application of law
    • Printed on page 5 of Chapter 1
  • Methodology
  • Reflective Theory
    • Also known as “legal theory”
    • Discusses how the legal system should interact with other systems while maintaining consistency
      • If discussing how one should be, it does feel like reflection
  • These discussions are more abstract than specific cases (from a Second-Order perspective)
    • The consequences of the differentiation of legal expertise at the second-order observation level

  • However, all of these are discussions on norms, so they can be positioned as actions within the legal system
  • Academic System:
    • Chain of communication dealing with truth and falsehood
      • Not about norms, but about truth and falsehood (?)
    • Specifically doing:
      • Philosophy of Law
        • Seems to be focusing from the academic system to the legal system
        • Academic pursuit for achieving justice
        • Printed on page 4
        • There are several variations
          • Details are written in “Understanding Philosophy of Law”
          • First variation
            • Also known as “national philosophy,” a German concept
          • Second variation
            • Also known as “deliberative theory”
              • Public opinion in civil society is reflected in parliament/laws, and from there
        • Both of these, if seen from a systems theory perspective, focus too much on the legal system and political system only, criticized by Vesting
          • What about considering the relationship between law and economics?
        • Discussing what justice is
          • Is this not a discussion of norms..? (blu3mo)❓
      • Sociological Jurisprudence
        • Discusses how the legal system interacts with other systems while maintaining consistency
        • The difference from Reflective Theory is the discussion of norms (should) versus the discussion of existence (is)
        • This is what Luhmann was dealing with
  • In summary, “Sociological Jurisprudence” presents a worldview that organizes various aspects related to law and also defines the position of “Sociological Jurisprudence” within it (blu3mo)
    • It’s like this nested structure, and
      • Self-reference, yeah~ (blu3mo)
    • At least, I’m starting to grasp what Luhmann wants to talk about next (blu3mo)
  • Vesting’s criticism of this
    • Criticizes the worldview based on systems theory
      • Everyday “language” cuts across this system
        • Well, of course, distinguishing between “existence” (academic system) and “should” (legal system) in everyday life is challenging (blu3mo)
          • I also thought about this in the discussion on “How Wikipedia gets to define what’s true online”
      • So, shouldn’t theory also transcend the legal system and academic system?
        • I think what they are saying makes sense, but I don’t understand the “so” part (blu3mo)❓
        • Isn’t legal interpretation and methodology not exclusive to the legal system but also cross over between the academic system and legal system?
          • There are instances where theories in physics (purely academic) interact with jurisprudence, right, criticizing that
        • Then, isn’t “legal theory” something that exists in the intersection between the academic system and legal system?
          • Wait, didn’t they just criticize the worldview of systems theory? (blu3mo)
          • Maybe they are suggesting that the way legal theory was originally perceived didn’t capture partial overlaps well, so a more comprehensive approach is needed, right? (blu3mo)
      • As a thought, is mathematics then on the side of the legal system? (blu3mo)❓- This is not a discussion about existence, but rather about the concept of “being” based on certain assumptions.
    • In terms of the historical development of philosophy:
      • Ancient times: Plato and Aristotle
        • Did they consider existence as something that exists?
          • It feels like trying to unearth ideal theories that exist somewhere in this world.
        • Existence = Presence, Production

          • Not entirely clear, but let’s link it for reference (blu3mo)
      • Modern era: Nietzsche, Heidegger, and Luhmann onwards
        • Did they view existence as something that creates new things?
          • Including theories.
        • Existence = Generation, Nature

        • By setting the perspective of each “existence,” things gathered within that perspective are seen as “existence.”

          • Does this mean that each system as an existence has a perspective (binary code) and creates a new “existence” by gathering various existences? (blu3mo)❓
            • I grasp the abstract idea, but the specifics are still unclear. (blu3mo)
    • I want to understand this through programming. (blu3mo)