from /villagepump/Direct_Democracy_through_Self-Expansion
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- The discussion below is quite rough, but I feel there is a significant potential.
- It seems to skillfully combine the Rousseauian ideal in General Will 2.0 with the ideals of Arendt and Habermas.
- By smoothing out the concept of “self,” there is a sense of being able to smooth out higher-level concepts as well.
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from /villagepump/2024/10/12 (blu3mo) Left: Representative Democracy
- Pros:
- Representatives act as buffers/cushions.
- Instead of directly reflecting citizens’ temporary emotions or shortsighted thoughts, having a human buffer in between can lead to long-term happiness for everyone.
- Representative democracy acts as a low-pass filter for public opinion
- Citizens do not have the time or resources to constantly think about politics, so representatives do it on their behalf.
- Representatives act as buffers/cushions.
- Cons:
- If a voted representative resigns, rendering one’s vote useless, or if there is no representative whose views align with one’s own, it can lead to a feeling of not being represented in the parliament.
Middle: Direct Democracy
- The explanation is omitted as it is the flip side of the pros and cons of representative democracy (blu3mo).
Right: Direct Democracy through Self-Expansion (proposal)
- “Self-Expansion” is the theme I am currently researching in Okinawa.
- Public information: https://www.jst.go.jp/kisoken/aip/colab/image/researchers/pdf/1112112_10062_jp.pdf
- (Considering various contexts in my research, explaining this idea without that background might not convey the concept effectively.)
- Write a vision about the “expanded self” within oneself:
- An informal example:
- Everyone having something like “AI friends.”
- More precisely:
- Similar to a robotic arm, envisioning AI agents that humans feel as part of themselves.
- Sense of self-attribution? (bsahd)
- Humans can have a sense of agency and ownership over the body of an AI agent.
- Imagining AI agents that individuals can partly identify as themselves while also possessing a degree of autonomy.
- Humans provide broad control, but specific behaviors are autonomous.
- Rather than distinctly separating “self” from “non-self,” viewing it as a continuous concept.
- Similar to a robotic arm, envisioning AI agents that humans feel as part of themselves.
- An informal example:
- In this system, AI agents play a role similar to representatives in representative democracy.
- Playing a role akin to a low-pass filter.
- Thinking about the complicated political matters on behalf of individuals.
- Predicting a trend of prompt injection to output short-term thoughts directly (bsahd).
- Might not necessarily be a Digital Twin? (mtane0412)
- Was unsure how this could fulfill a role similar to representatives (基素).
- However, since each person has their own AI agent and receives feedback from them, there is no feeling of not being represented in the parliament.
- Difference from polis and LLM-mediated deliberation:
- The interesting aspect here is the sense of delegating authority by trusting autonomous AI to represent oneself.
- Polis aims to facilitate collective decision-making by enhancing individual abilities through tools.- In terms of positions, I believe there lies between digital deliberative democracy like Pol.is and a subconscious democracy akin to Narita’s.
- Digital deliberative democracy involves 100% self making political decisions.
- Subconscious democracy involves 100% non-self making political decisions.
Another perspective (blu3mo):
- When considering what represents the will of the people in various existing systems:
- Direct democracy: everyone
- Representative democracy: representatives
- Dictatorship: (self-proclaimed representative of the people) [dictator]
- I think each of these represents the will of the people as “completely self-oriented,” “about 50% self-oriented,” and “completely other-oriented.”
When thinking about the digital versions of each:
- Direct democracy → Enhanced deliberation by AI and technology (e.g., Pol.is) + direct democracy
- (Is this true?)
- Representative democracy → The main idea
- Dictatorship → AI automatically collecting and making decisions based on the will of the people [subconscious democracy] (Yusuke Narita)
(blu3mo) 2024/10/15 I brought up the discussion of the overall system, so it became quite abstract, but it seems possible to explain it as an individual human experience.
- An experience like this: https://chatgpt.com/share/670e1a01-a2d4-8002-bbaa-53c7f9da9a93
- Even without actively thinking, a “seemingly self” entity engages in discussions with others on your behalf.
- I recommend trying the experience of “observing discussions generated by ChatGPT between yourself and others.”
- If you can convey your position effectively, the discussion progresses with an agent articulating what seems right for you.
- This sensation is intriguing.
- Currently, I am roughly experimenting with ChatGPT.
- However, if using this for a digital democracy system, one should engage in dialogue with virtual personalities based on real others, not just “LLM-based virtual personalities.”