pKineto#dialogue
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I learned quite a lot from /blu3mo-private/未踏10/2報告FB.
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Discussion on the timeline:
- When people from the past collide with those in the present timeline,
- Whether to prioritize people from the future in the present timeline.
- Want to explore experiences unique to the timeline,
- Such as pulling something together,
- Maybe having game-like elements would be beneficial?
- When people from the past collide with those in the present timeline,
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The key point is the back and forth between synchronous and pseudo-synchronous interactions.
- It’s like navigating between synchronous and asynchronous.
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It would be nice to have a way for instructors to have an overview of the entire timeline.
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Doing spatial chat based on the timeline seems like a good idea.
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Proposal for a teaching session by oneself.
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Things to see:
- Asking questions and then returning to see the answers.
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Core: Ultimately, synchronous dialogue is an illusion.
- The essence lies in the “feeling of being synchronous.”
- I also wrote about this in Sense of Time Sharing.
- Therefore, it’s important to create an experience that gives a sense of synchronization through UI and other means.
- I was quite impressed by how Honk achieved this by sharing even while typing (blu3mo).
- The same effect can be seen with sharing handwritten text (perhaps this is the reason for handwritten notes).
- Or maybe I just want to copy Honk.
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Drinami: Depending on whether you want to share emotions or information, the interface will vary.
- (blu3mo) Currently, the focus seems to be on sharing information.
- So, should it be made more useful for sharing information?
- With pseudo-synchronization, since it’s not perfect synchronization, focusing on more ambiguous emotions might be better.
- Emotions could also be effective.
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It might be nice to have a feature where pressing a button allows you to jump to a different dimension to have synchronous discussions there.
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Or rather, detailed discussions might be better off using a different channel (like Scrapbox or Zoom) instead of forcing it through Kineto.
- The value lies in what is attached to the video, emphasizing communication in the moment (conveying emotions and light information).
- In that case, a pathway to a different channel more suitable for complex discussions would be desired.
- For example: https://twitter.com/ochyai/status/1347864732212944896
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The issue of the front group not being able to see anything might be resolved by ensuring that what is written remains visible for a longer time.
- What is written by people behind is like a time capsule from TENET reaching the future.
- What is written by people from the future will reach those behind after a while.
- (This phenomenon might not have been noticed without user testing).
- (This discussion seems quite interesting in terms of the theme of “time” and could be a good topic for a presentation).
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- It would be nice for instructors to be able to review later.
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- It would be nice for instructors to be able to review later.
- I feel like I was starting to forget the fundamental aspects of what makes synchronous and asynchronous teaching valuable, so it was good to be able to reaffirm that.
- This is even before considering pseudo-synchronization.
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There were many valuable discussions around this.
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Platforms like Line and Scrapbox conversations typically mix asynchronous and synchronous interactions, whereas here, it’s a blend of pseudo-synchronous and synchronous interactions.
- It’s important to understand the essence of pseudo-synchronization.
- This distinguishes it from video lessons with Docs.
- It’s also crucial to understand where the assumption that pseudo-synchronization is better than asynchronous interactions comes into play.
- There is a lot of joy in connections that aren’t immediately apparent.
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In a way, isn’t the ultimate form of asynchrony a book?
- It may not necessarily be the ultimate form; just one example.
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As an interesting concept, diving into a sea of pseudo-synchronization entirely:
- Not only students but teachers as well in the pseudo-synchronized sea
- Furthermore, enabling educational materials to move along the timeline
- The inspiration comes from the Actor Network Theory
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Handwriting:
- https://mm.hyuki.net/n/n34c00bdebb44?magazine_key=m73f865053b52
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One way to address this is not just exchanging “information” through dialogue but also exchanging “meta-information” such as one’s feelings and understanding state.
- Compared to chatting, Handwriting contains more meta-information
- Also, having the consciousness of writing on videos seems to make it easier to understand the concept of kineto
- Rather than associating with text, it’s more about adding annotations to videos and being aware of editing
- Additionally, it has a high resolution in the time dimension
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The following was written before 10/2
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The medium is Kineto Video Notes:
- Why?
- If it’s not notes, it’s hard to create a purpose like “commenting” on NicoNico
- It aligns with the existing concept of taking notes
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There are dialogues among students driven by the teacher’s intention and dialogues that occur unintentionally
- The latter includes casual conversations with neighbors during traditional classes
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Difference between communication in chats, Google Docs, etc.:
- It doesn’t remain on the screen forever
- However, unlike video conversations, it’s possible to go back and review it
- So what?
- It doesn’t remain on the screen forever
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An experience where synchronous and pseudo-synchronous elements mix:
- Communication based on the assumption that replies may not come back
- Is there value in just writing something?
- Communication based on the assumption that replies may not come back
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Why do this in the first place?
- Wanting to have dialogues even in an environment where classes are taken asynchronously
- The necessity of notes isn’t that high
- Wouldn’t a NicoNico-style chat be better?
- Are you still carrying over what you originally wanted to do?
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Reasons why this isn’t NicoNico:
- While NicoNico aims for a sense of unity, kineto focuses on dialogue/thought sharing (weak, right?)
- It also allows synchronous dialogues (technically possible on NicoNico too)
- Well, you should really have confidence in speed control
- Also, pen annotations hold value
- Addition: The greatest value lies in messages not just flowing but remaining in the space (being able to be preserved)
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Issue of few people having pens:
- Around 20% in schools
- I think this is still an exceptional case
- Gestures (markup) and key input could possibly replicate a similar experience
- (Regarding inter-class dialogues)
- Wait, is there a difference between inter-class dialogues and notes?
- The pen brings joy:
- Sensing the presence of others (important in communication)
- Riding on the traditional media of “notes”
- Engaging in inward information sharing through dialogue
- If the pen is not essential, then it’s not a problem (lacking confidence in this)
- Around 20% in schools
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Regarding online classes, it can be seen as a solution to the problem of the lack of inter-student dialogues online #kineto